Ancestors of Robert Hyde (c1592
- 1684)
Compiled by Dr. Daniel C. Hyde
235 Stein Lane, Lewisburg, PA 17837
August 1, 1993
Robert Hyde16
Robert Hyde16 (b. c1592 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. 1684) married Alice Crompton (b. c1595 Crompton, Lancashire, Eng.), daughter and co-heir of Thomas Crompton.[1] Robert and Alice were married in 1630.[2]
Robert and Alice HydeÕs children were:
1. William Hyde17 (b. c1622, Denton, Eng.)
2. Robert Hyde17 (b. c1624, Denton, Eng.)
3. Anna Hyde17 (b. c1628, Denton, Eng.)
4. Catherine Hyde17 (b. c1630, Denton, Eng.)
5. Deboria Hyde17 (b. c1632, Denton, Eng.)
Some family history researchers list additional children including Samuel (b. 1610) and Jonathan (b. 1626) but I have found no evidence of this.
ÒRobert Hyde was a zealous Puritan and took part in the Defence of Mancester in 1642 [first year of English Civil War].Ó ÒHe was a D. L. of the county in 1642; Civil War Tracts (Chet. Soc.), 2. For his presence at the attack on Machester see ...; he opposed the surrender; .... He was a member of the Presbyterian Classis; Shaw, Manch. Classis (Chet. Soc.).Ó[3]
Robert Hyde[16] was active in the local Denton church, the church of St. Laurence (formerly St. James, the dedication having been changed about 1800 by the rector) which stands on the south side of Denton.[4] ÒThe chapel of St. James was built on the waste in 1531-2, and in 1534 an agreement was made by the tenants as to the levy for the payment of the chaplain. Beyond this there was no endowment, but Richard Holland in 1618 left £100 towards the purchase of an annuity of £20 for a Ôgodly minister to preach the word of God and read devine serviceÕ, to be nominated by the Hollands and Hydes or their Successors.Ó[5] ÒA small pew was built outside the north wall in 1676 by Robert Hyde[16], who was deaf; it had an opening into the church near the pulpit.Ó[6]
Ò[Robert] died in 1684 [ÒHis will is printed in BookerÕs Denton, 30-33. A pedigree was recorded in 1665; ....Ó[7]], and his son and heir Robert[17] in 1699, leaving as sole heiress a daughter Mary, who married Sir Ralph Assheton of Middleton, but had no issue. The Denton estate, however, was retained by her husband, and fell to the lot of Katherine, his daughter by a previous marriage; ....Ó[8]
In 1684 at his death, Robert Hyde left £5 a year to the Mottram-in-Longdendale Grammar School, Mottram, Cheshire.[9]
When Robert Hyde died in 1684, his third son Robert Hyde17 inherited the Denton Estates.[10] One wonders why Samuel, the oldest son, left for America in 1639 and didnÕt stay to inherit his fatherÕs estate. One can only speculate. Looking at history, the years before 1639 were turbulant times in England.
The problems started in 1603 with the accession of James, the King of Scotland, to the English throne. Being from Scotland, King James I (the first Stuart) never did understand the role of the English Parliament. The conflict between the KingÕs interest and the ParliamentÕs, many of whom were Puritans, as well as the clashing of religious beliefs between the strict Puritans and the established Church of England were the roots of the problems. With the accession of King Charles I in 1625, the conflicts intensified until in 1642 heavy fighting broke out in what has become known as the English Civil War. The Puritan Army under Oliver Cromwell fought and defeated the Royalist supporters of the King with the result that Charles I was beheaded in 1649.
Since Robert Hyde is characterized as a Òzealous Puritan,Ó one can easily imagine that Samuel, at age nineteen in 1639, was at odds with his father over the political situation and decided to leave for a more promising future in America. Or that Samuel was at odds with the Royalist government. However, this is only speculation on the compilerÕs part.
The Hyde family lived in Denton, Lancashire, England for many generations back to the twelfth century. ÒThey [The Hydes] were a respectable but undistinguished county family who had held the estates of Norbury and Hyde in Cheshire from very early times.Ó[11] The first Earl of Clarendon, Edward Hyde (b. 18 Feb. 1608/9) is of the same family. In 1660, his daughter, Anne Hyde, married James, the Duke of York, afterwards King James II of England. From this union were born two English queens: Queen Mary of William and Mary, and Queen Anne.
Arms of Hyde of Hyde and Norbury.
Azure a cheveron between three lozengers or.[12]
Denton is about eight miles south-east of Manchester, England. Denton is a village famous for its manufacture of hats.[13] The villages of Denton, Norbury and Hyde (Hyde Chapel) are all very close. See the 1795 map[14] on the next page (The scale is one inch equals about 2.5 miles). Near Denton, the Tame River is border between Lancashire and Cheshire shires. Therefore,
Denton is in Lancashire and while only a mile away the village of Hyde is in Cheshire. Today, Denton and Hyde are suburbs of Manchester.
In 1795, J. Aiken wrote about the country around Denton.
ÒThere remain proprietors who hold very extensive possessions; and the remark [earlier] of the number of ancient families which bear the names of the places where they reside, is still applicable to this county.Ó ÒIn most townships there is one farm, still distinguished by the name of the Old Hall, or manor house (the former residence of the great proprietor of the district), which is of larger extent than any of the neighbouring farms.Ó[15]
Near Denton, there are two such old halls of ancient families named Hyde Hall (see map). On the Cheshire side of the Tame River opposite Denton is the ancient hall of the Hydes (Near the ÒHÓ in Hyde Chapel on the map.) Above is Hyde Hall in 1795.[16] The building is an ancient hall with a new front (in 1795).
William Hyde15
The parents of Robert Hyde16 were William Hyde15 (b. c1565 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. 30 Sep. 1640) and Eleanor Molineux (b. c1574 West Derby, Lancashire, Eng.), daughter of John and Ann (Radcliffe) Molineux.[17]
Their children were:
* 1. Robert Hyde16 (b. c1592, Denton, Eng.) m. Alice Crompton.
2. Maria Hyde16 (b. c1602, Denton, Eng.)
3. Margarette Hyde16 (b. c1604, Denton, Eng.)
ÒWilliam[15] son of Robert[14] died in 1639 holding the same estate [Hyde estate in Denton], and leaving as heir his son Robert[16], thirty-five years of age.Ó[18]
ÒIn 1598 a marriage was made between William[15] son and heir apparent of Robert Hyde[14] and Eleanor daughter of John Molyneux of West Derby, reserving the dowry of Anne wife of Robert Hyde[14] and sister of Ralph Arderne of Harden; in 1608 a remainder to Edward, second son of Robert[14], was agreed upon; ....Ó[19]
ÒThe will of William Hyde[15] is printed in BookerÕs Denton, 27-8; the inventory amounted to £898, and he left his Bible in two volumes, Mr. HildersamÕs works, the clock in the parlour, and other things to Alice his daughter-in-law. A settlement of their estates was made in 1630 by William Hyde[15] of Denton, Robert[16] his son and heir apparent, and Alice wife of Robert[16] and one of the daughters and co-heirs of Thomas Crompton of Crompton, on the one part , and Robert Dukinfield of Dukinfield and Robert Ashton of Shepley on the other part; ....Ó[20]
Robert Hyde14
The parents of William Hyde15 were Robert Hyde14 (b. c1540 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. after 1613) and Annie Arderne (b. c1545 Lancashire Co., Eng.), daughter of John and Anne (Hyde) Arderne.[21] Ann Hyde is the daughter of Thomas Hyde.
Their children were:
* 1. William Hyde15 (b. c1565, Denton, Eng.; d. 30 Sep. 1640) m. Eleanor Molineux.
2. Edward Hyde15 (b. c1567, Denton, Eng.)
3. Nicholas Hyde15 (b. c1569, Denton, Eng.)
4. Peter Hyde15 (b. c1571, Denton, Eng.)
5. Paul Hyde15 (b. c1572, Denton, Eng.)
6. Susanna Hyde15 (b. c1574, Denton, Eng.) m. Alexander Newton.
ÒPedigrees were recorded in 1567 and 1613; Robert[14] was still alive in the latter year; ....Ó[22]
William Hyde13
The parents of Robert Hyde14 were William Hyde13 (b. c1515 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. 1560) and Catherine Elcock (b. c1520 Stockport, Lancashire Co., Eng.), daughter of Alexander and Elizabeth (Granage) Elcock.[23]
Their children were:
1. Richard Hyde14 (b. Denton, Eng.; d. 1560)
* 2. Robert Hyde14 (b. 1540, Denton, Eng.; d. 30 Sep. 1640) m. Annie Arderne.
3. William Hyde14 (b. c1542, Denton, Eng.) m. Margaret Arderne.
4. Nicholas Hyde14 (b. c1546, Denton, Eng.)
5. Margaret Hyde14 (b. c1548, Denton, Eng.) m. Roger Kendall.
6. Isabell Hyde14 (b. c1550, Denton, Eng.) m. Richard Ashton.
7. Catherine Hyde14 (b. c1552, Denton, Eng.) m. Roger Stopwood.
8. Margareta Hyde14 (b. c1554, Denton, Eng.) m. Robert Booth.
ÒIn 1320 the rent was paid to the lord of Manchester; but William Hyde[13] who died in 1560, was stated to hold his massuages and lands in Denton of Robert Hyde of Norbury in scoge by the rent of 1d. Richard Hyde[14], the son and heir of William[13], having died a month after his father, without issue, was succeeded by his brother Robert[14], thirty-two years of age [more like twenty. ?].Ó[24]
Nicholas Hyde12
The parents of William Hyde13 were Nicholas Hyde12 (b. c1490 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Margaret Chetham (b. c1495 Lancashire, Eng.; d. between 1546 and 1552), daughter of Edmund Chetham. Margaret later married Thomas Brown.[25]
Their children were:
* 1. William Hyde13 (b. c1515, Denton, Eng.) m. Catherine Elcock.
William Hyde11
The parents of Nicholas Hyde12 were William Hyde11 (b. c1465 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Elena Moston (b. c1468 Lancashire, Eng.), daughter of Richard Moston.[26]
Their children were:
* 1. Nicholas Hyde12 (b. c1490, Denton, Eng.) m. Margaret Chetham.
ÒIn 1525 William Hyde[11] of Denton, being over seventy years of age, was excused from attendance on assizes, &tc.; .... The age must have been overstated. Two years before this it had been agreed between William Hyde and Alexander Elcock of Heaton Norris, merchant, that the formerÕs Ôcousin and heirÕ (probably grandson) William[13] should marry the latterÕs daughter Katherine; lands in Denton of the yearly value of £4 were assigned to Katherine for her life, a similar estate being held by Ellen, wife of the elder William[11], and by Margaret, then wife of Thomas Browne; .... It appears that Margaret was the mother of the younger William[13]; she was living in 1546, but died before 1552; ....Ó[27]
Nicholas de Hyde10
The parents of William Hyde11 were Nicholas de Hyde10 (b. c1440 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Margaretta Holland (b. c1445 Lancashire, Eng.), daughter of Thurstane Holland (d. c 1461)[28] and Maud Honford, daughter of Sir John Honford.[29]
Their children were:
1. Ralph Hyde11 (b. Denton, Eng.) m. Agnes Arderne, daughter of John Arderne.
* 2. William Hyde11 (b. c1465, Denton, Eng.) m. Elena Moston.
ÒNicholas[10] son and heir apparent of Ralph[9] was in 1457 contracted to marry Margery daughter of Thurstan Holland, lands of Denton and a rent of 13s. 4d. from Reddish Mill being settled on the bride. In 1468 Ralph[11], the son and heir of Nicholas[10], was contracted to marry Agnes daughter of John Arderne; .... Ralph probably died, for in 1479 William[11], the son and heir apparent of Nicholas[10], was to marry Ellen daughter of Richard Moston ....Ó[30]
Ralph de Hyde9
The parents of Nicholas de Hyde10 were Ralph de Hyde9 (b. c1405 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. between 1471 and 1479) and Margareta Dokenfield (b. c1410 Lancashire Co., Eng.), daughter of Robert de Dukenfield.[31]
Their children were:
* 1. Nicholas de Hyde10 (b. c1440, Denton, Eng.) m. Margaretta Holland.
ÒRalph[9] son and heir apparent of Nicholas[8] de Hyde in 1428 agreed to marry Margaret daughter of Robert de Dukinfield. .... This Ralph Hyde of Denton was still living in 1471, when he granted all his goods, &c., to trustees; but he seems to have died shortly afterwards, and Margaret his widow is named in 1479.Ó[32]
Nicholas de Hyde8
The parents of Ralph de Hyde9 were Nicholas de Hyde8 (b. c1380 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. 1420) and Mrs. Isabella Hyde (b. c1385 Lancashire Co., Eng.).[33]
Their children were:
* 1. Ralph de Hyde9 (b. c1405, Denton, Eng.) m. Margareta Dokinfield.
ÒThere is little of the Hydes in the public records. The writ of Diem clausit extr. after the death of Nicholas Hyde[8] of Denton was issued on 20 Nov. 1420; ... In 1429 Robert de Hyde (of Norbury) complained that Geoffrey de Shakerly and Isabel his wife, widow of Nicholas de Hyde[8], had taken away Ralph[9], the son and heir of Nicholas, whose marriage belonged to the plaintiff in virtue of a messuage and lands in Denton held by the deceased. The defence was a grant made by Nicholas.Ó[34]
John de Hyde7
The parents of Nicholas de Hyde8 were John de Hyde7 (b. c1356 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Mrs. John de Hyde (b. c1360 at Denton, Lancashire Co., Eng.).[35]
Their children were:
* 1. Nicholas de Hyde8 (b. c1380, Denton, Eng.) m. Isabella _____.
Richard de Hyde6
The parents of John de Hyde7 were Richard de Hyde6 (b. c1321at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.; d. 1396) and Mrs. Richard de Hyde (b. c1325) of Denton Lancashire Co., Eng.[36]
Their children were:
* 1. John de Hyde7 (b. c1356, Denton, Eng.).
Richard de Hyde5
The parents of Richard de Hyde6 were Richard de Hyde5 (b. c1295 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Matilda Vernon (b. c1300 Warfield, Cheshire, Eng.), daughter of Roger Vernon.[37]
Their children were:
* 1. Richard de Hyde6 (b. c1321, Denton, Eng.).
Sir John de Hyde4
The parents of Richard de Hyde5 were Sir John de Hyde4 (b. c1275 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Elena ______.
Their children were:
* 1. Richard de Hyde5 (b. c1295, Denton, Eng.).
2. John de Hyde5 Married Alice Davenport, daughter of Sir John Davenport. Served under the Black Prince (30 Edward III) in the French wars. A descendant nine generations away is Edward Hyde (b. 18 Feb. 1608/9), the first Earl of Clarendon.
Alexander de Hyde3.5
The father of Sir John de Hyde4 was Alexander de Hyde3.5 (b. c1247 Norbury, Eng.). [The funny superscript of 3.5 meaning the 3.5th generation is due to error on my part in skipping a generation. I will fix in later versions. Dan]
His children were:
* 1. John de Hyde4 (b. c1275, Denton, Eng.).
Robert de Hyde3
The parents of Alexander de Hyde3.5 were Robert de Hyde3 (b. c1214 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Margeria de Stockport daughter of Robert de Stockport, son of Robert de Stockport.[38]
Their children were:
* 1. Alexander de Hyde3.5 (b. c1247 Norbury, Eng.).
2. John de Hyde3.5
3. Richard de Hyde3.5
4.
Emma de Hyde3.5
ÒA number of family charters are preserved in ...; from these it appears that Robert de Hyde3 (son of Robert son of Matthew) married Margery daughter of Robert son of Robert de Stockport.Ó[39]
ÒThe Hydes of Hyde and Norbury, who were lords of Haughton by Denton, held lands in the latter township, for Robert de Hyde[3] gave to Alexander[3.5] his son and his heirs all his lands of Denton, and in confirmation and augmentation of this John de Hyde[3.5] about 1270 granted all the lands in Denton, which he held, also land in Romiley in Cheshire, to his brother Alexander[3.5], son of Sir Robert de Hyde[3]. .... [However] By a settlement of 1331 the lands of John de Hyde in Denton and Romiley were to remain to Richard[5], the son of John[4], and Maud his wife, daughter of Roger Vernon. Richard and Maud in 1366 agreed to make no alientation of the estate [Òthe declaration was made in Stockport Church, perhaps on the betrothal of Richard[6] son of Richard.Ó[40]], and two years later John[4], the father, made a grant to Richard[6], the son of Richard[5] [Òthe grant was all his messuages and lands in Denton in the vill of Withington. From the same charters it appears that Richard de Hyde[6], probably the younger Richard, granted lands in Romiley to his son John[7] and heirs in 1395-6Ó[41]].Ó[42]
ÒWilliam son of Richard Baguley allowed Robert son of John (sic) de Hyde to make a millpool on land in Hyde for the benefit of Haughton Mill, at a rent of a clove gillyflower.Ó[43]
One wonders what a clove gillyflower is worth today!
Sir Robert de Hyde2
The parents of Robert de Hyde3 were Sir Robert de Hyde2 (b. c1188 at Denton, Lancashire, Eng.) and Agnes de Hudessle [Herdislee], heiress of Thomas of Norbury. Through this marriage, Robert became lord of Norbury in Derbyshire in the reign of Henry III.
Their children were:
1. Hugh de Hyde3 (b. c1211).
2. Richard de Hyde3 (b. c1212).
* 3. Robert de Hyde3 (b. 1214) Married Margeria de Stockport
ÒThe following early deeds relate to Haughton: John, son of Agnes de Herdislee, cousin of Thomas de Norbury, released to Robert de Hyde[3] all his claim in Norbury, Newton, half of Hyde, Haughton, four oxgangs of land in Heaton, and Sakelcross; .... Of these Hyde and Haughton are not named in the grant by Richard de Norbury to Robert de Hyde[2] (father of the above Robert).Ó[44]
Matthew de Hyde1
The father of Sir Robert de Hyde2 was Matthew de Hyde1 (b. c1164).
Matthew de HydeÕs children were:
*1. Sir Robert de Hyde2 (b. c1188) m. Agnes de Hudessle, heiress of Thomas of Norbury.
ÒAn early bearer of the name Hyde in England was a Norman Knight who went into England with William the Conqueror in the invasion of 1066; and was granted lands in Cheshire where the town of Hyde is located, about seven miles east of Manchester. He took his name from the estates granted to him. The family was in possession of this manor in the reign of King John, which had descended from father to son since the Norman conquest. Matthew de Hyde,[1] of Hyde, resided there about the end of the twelfth century and was the father of Sir Robert Hyde, who became Lord of this Manor and also the estates of Shalcross and Fernely in Derbyshire and Halgaten and Denton in Lancashire. He married the heiress of Thomas of Norbury and by this marriage the lordship of Norbury in Derbyshire came to the Hydes in the reign of Henry III.Ó[45]
2. Richard de Hyde2
ÒThomas son and heir of Richard son of Matthew de Hyde[1] released to John lord of Hyde all his lands in the vill of Haughton.Ó[46]
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